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sidster
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Posted on 10-18-12 9:34
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Anyone knows? Thinking about making some Nepal style pakku this Dashain. Any direction would be appreciated.
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Posted on 10-18-12 9:42
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What's "Khasi ko Pakku"?
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Posted on 10-18-12 10:10
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Don't kmow riddle bhai...just a name i remembered from. The meat is kind of dry without bones. I have heard few call it kabab too but its not the Kabab Indians and Pakis make.
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Posted on 10-19-12 8:16
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рдЦреЛрдЗ рдХреЛрд╣рд┐ рдЫреИрдирдиреН рдХрд┐ рдХреЗ рд╣реЛ рдкрдХреНрдХреБ рдмрдирд╛рдЙрди рдЬрд╛рдиреНрдиреЗ рд╕рд╛рдЭрд╛ рдорд╛?
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Posted on 10-19-12 8:50
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this is i know it is made. 1. fry onion on oil (be generous on oil) on pressure cooker 2. once oil is golden brown, add meat. 3. fry meat for sometime and add giger garlic ( be generous here) 4. fry more until meat become brown. 5. add meat masala, coriander, cumin 5. fry some more. 6. now, close the lid and let it cook. this is the part that make pakku. slow cook over time without water in it until meat becomes soft. 7. this can also be done by marinating meat first with all the ingredients above and slow cook on a pot. i have seen my mom cook in both ways. good luck.
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Posted on 10-19-12 8:52
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forgot to mention, slow cook means cook on a low heat.
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Posted on 10-19-12 9:34
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Guys
In western Nepal they call it Pakku, In valley and easter nepal they call it Kabab. Yes it is different than Indian and Pakistani/Afghani kaboab
The concept:
In olden days ppl dont used to eat meat everyday. Work was more physical. No transportation so you go everywhere by foot. Lots of calori used.
During Dashain they have lots of meat. And we know it i not good to eat lots of meat in short period of time.
Technology:
There were no refrigerators to store meat for longer period of time. Fat get rancid if stored for longer period of time without preservative and coloin. There were no preservatives.
Fungus/Bacteria
They grow when there is a suitable media (food ) and when temperature is right. So when meat is kept at room temperature for long time it get destroyed (attacked by fungus/baceria). Our ancestors needed to preserve meat for longer period of time so that tey will be able to consume in controlled way
Technology used by Ancestors:
Making Pakku or Kabob so that they can store meat for longer period of time.
How making of pakku /Kabab help preserves meat.?
We all know life needs water to survive. So if you take water out of meat fungus bacetrai cant grow on it ( remember sukuti? However sukuty is hard and difficult for kids and old people ).
While cooking all water will be driven out of the meat slowly, There will be lots of fat ( so no dissolved oxygen, like in case of water, even if fungus/bacteria come in contact with pakku they will die because of salt content in pakku as well as because of the fat. They will die because of lack of oxygen to breath and Osmosis (which will brust their cell wall)
Why pakku /kabab is tasty:
It is tasty because the way of cooking and all added spices. While cooking all the aroma from the spices will be extracted into fat and they will remain their. So while eating you will taste all the speices.But becarefull while cooking if you cook pakku in strong heat all aroma from different spices will be evaporated or will decomposed.
How to prepare Pakku
1. Lambs meat: Up to you how much. Remove most of the visible fat. (remember we dont need that much fat these days like our ancestors used to because a) lack of physical work b) we do have refrigerators for preservation once cooked so take out all visible fat.
2.Cut meat into pieces (size of your liking). Mix different spices like turmeric ( excess of turmeric may make food bitter)/coriender powder/ginger/cumin/garlic and garam masala spices Do not use readymade spices from Indian stores they are not good. Buy individual spices and grind/crush them yourself.
Pakku is not hot (piro) so do not use pepper. But you can use black pepper
3. Use olive oil, not those on bargain price and make sure that it is not a mixture of different oils.In olden days our ancestors used to use mustard oil. We have better option these days that is olive oil. Mix properly.
Leave for marination for one hr or so inside the freez or even at room tempe ( does not matter that much regarding the taste but refrigerator is betetr for safty purpose)
4. Cook in stainless steel utensils ( not coated with non stick coat, these are bad for health, once those non stick thing goes inside you it remains in your blood for ever, creating a lots of problem for you.)
5. In olden days they use to cook in a pot with thick base ( slow heating) but these days those pots are not available so heat control is very much iportant)
6.Heat the stainless steel pot (very hot) put marinated meat in the pot.cover. let it cook for five minutes then slow down the heat to almost half (almost 50% less heat than regular cooking) and cook for long time. check from time to time so that it is not over cooked.
Usually you do not need to add water. do not use pressure cooker. It will destrpy all aroma from species.You can use pressure cooker without applying the pressure though.
When pakku is considered cooked?
Usually it is cooked more than rodinary cooking time to drive out all water.
What happens if you over cooked:
Meat will develop elastic character because of Gelatin. It helps to preserve meat longer but also destorys the "feel". (remember gummy candies) Overcooking also destroys the essential ingridents from the species. Therefore a little less cooking is betetr than the over cooking. Although main aim is to drive water out of the meat but it not good if all water is removed about 10-20% water must be there inorder to preserve water soluble vitamins and aromatic compounds.
I think Newars cook ta:khala almost similar way.Here they also put lots of skin,to extract as much gelatin as possible so meat is preserved not mainly by removing water but by extraction of gelatin from skin during cooking.
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ThahaChaena
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Posted on 10-19-12 9:39
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This is how I make pakku/ kabab
1. cut meat in realtively big pieces
2. marinate the meat with oil(any oil but mustard oil has more flavor), turmeric(besar), red chili powder(khursani ko dhulo) and light garam masala.
3. Mix it very well and cover it with another container and leave it for at least 2-4 hrs at max half a day.
4. now heat the pan up , put in oil (a little more oil kina ki masu needs it)
5. Put in some curry leaves, cinamon, cloves, cardamom for more flavors.
6. Then fry some red onions(it has more flavor than yellow or white onions), fry till its light brown
7. aba add that marinated meat, fry it till it is light brownish too.
8. then add ginger-garlic paste while frying the meat.
9. after frying till the meat for a while, add meat masala, salt, coriander powder, cumin powder.
10. Stir it well and cover with lid.
11. leave it on light fire(heat) for a while. keep checking in between.
After its ready , sprinkle in some fresh dhaniya and green lasun.
Voila !! Your Pakku is ready. Thats how I make it....
"HAPPY DASHAIN, WISH YOU ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME"
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SAP Dude
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Posted on 10-19-12 10:11
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From what i know Pakku is not supposed to have lots of spices and also not supposed to be 100% cooked. May be 80% cooked not sure there.
Someone please explain the difference between cooking Pakku/kawab vs just plaing khasi ko masu. The receipies seem to be for generic khasi ko masu.
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ThahaChaena
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Posted on 10-19-12 10:35
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@Sap mitra : in generic khasi ko masu we usually donot marinate and sidhai pyaj fry ... masu hala nai masala hala ani pressure cooker ma sui sui sithi lagaincha ... jaba ki pakku ma ekdam sano aago ma dherai ber pakaincha .... ra tapaile bhanya jasto 80% matra pakauney ta suneko thiyina... kina ki kaba purai pakeko huncha ra raato raato huncha tesaile dashain bhari tikcha... I mean dherai din samma khana sakincha feri feri tataayera... Jun ajhai meetho huncha..... Mero mujhai ra chakhaayi matra bhaneko la...
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SAP Dude
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Posted on 10-19-12 10:45
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Thanks Thahachaena...yespali 5lb khasi ko pakku experiment garincha usobhaye !!
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sherlock
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Posted on 10-19-12 11:13
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Y'all are crazy then! Khasi ko masu is too precious! There's no way I'd gamble and experiment when it comes Khasi ko masu. I love me some authentic Khasi ko Masu - traditional Nepali style!
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Posted on 10-19-12 11:31
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Dont know a abt pakku, i like em' either traditional nepali style with spicy soup ( bit oily, hot spicy & floating cilantro's) or i just marinate for couple of hours & barbeque in slow - medium cooked- prolly about 80% without letting it get dry...you cant beat that juicy barbequed khasi ko masu... Btw i prefer propane instead of classy coal barbeques when it comes to khasi !! Enjoy fellas, happy dashain !!!
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Posted on 10-19-12 12:02
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рдмреНрд░реЛ: рдирд╛рд░рд╛рдпрдгреА рдкреВрд░реНрд╡рдХреЛ рдкрд░реНрдиреБ рднрдПрдХреЛ рд╣реЛ ? рдЧрд╛рдЙрд▓реЗ рд╣рд░реБрд▓реЗ рдкрд╛рдХреНрдХреБ рдЕрдирд┐ рд╢рд╣рд░рд┐рдпрд╛рд▓реЗ рдХрдмрд╛рдл рднрдиреНрдиреЗ рд░рд╣реЗрдЫрди ?
рдХрд┐рдирдХреА рдкреБрд░реНрдмреЗрд▓рд┐рд▓реЗ рдкрдХреНрдХреБ рднрдиреНрдЫрди рд░ рдзрдХреНрдХреБ рд▓рдЧрд╛рдЙрдиреЗ рдЧрд░реНрдЫрди рдХрд╕рдХреЛ рдШрд░рдХреЛ рдорд┐рдареЛ рднрдпреЛ рднрдирд┐ | рдЦрд╕реАрдХреЛ рдорд╛рд╕реБ рдд рдкрд╛рдЗрджреИрди рддрд░ рдЕрд╕реНрдЯреНрд░реЗрд▓рд┐рдпрди рдмреЛрдХреЛ рднрдиреЗ рдкрд╛рдЗрдиреНрдЫ рд╣реЛрд▓рд╛, рдЕрд▓рд┐рдХ рдЪрд╛рдореНрд░реЛ рд░ рд░реЗрд╕рд╛ рдмрдвреА рд╣реБрдиреНрдЫ рдЬрд╕реНрддреЛ рд▓рд╛рдЧреНрдпреЛ |
рддрд░рд┐рдХрд╛ :
рдЯреБрдХреНрд░рд╛ рдПрдХ рдирд╛рд╕рдХреЛ рдмрд╛рдирд╛рдЙрдиреБ рдкрд░реНрдЫ рдирддреНрд░ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рджрдорд╛ рдлрд░рдХ рд╣реБрдиреНрдЫ | рдкрдХреНрдХреБ рд╡рд╛ рдХрдмрд╛рдл рдмрдирд╛рдЙрджрд╛ рдореЗрд░рд╛ рдорд╛рддрд╛рд╣рд╛рд░рд┐рд▓реЗ рдорд░рдорд╕рд▓рд╛ рдорд╛рддреНрд░реИ рд░рд╛рдЦреЗрдХреЛ рджреЗрдЦреЗрдХреЛ рдерд┐рдП ( ( do not suggest ONION, it sweetens the meet, not much garlic ) |
рддреЗрд▓ , рдорд╕рд▓рд╛ regular , рдиреБрди рд░ рдмреЗрд╕рд╛рд░ рд╣рд╛рд▓реЗрд░ рдорд▓реНрдиреЗ рдмреЗрд▓реБрдХреА рдЕрдирд┐ рдЕрд░реНрдХреЛ рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рди рдкрдХрд╛рдЙрдиреЗ'
рдЕрд▓рд┐рдХ рдореЛрдЯреЛ рднрд╛рдбреЛрдорд╛ рдкрдХрд╛рдЙрдиреЗ ( if you use pressure cooker, taste will be different, it may be soft but not the original one)
рел-рен рдорд┐рдиреЗрдЯ рдорд╛рд╕реБ рдлреНрд░рд╛рдИ рдЧрд░реНрдиреЗ ( рддреБрд░реБрдиреНрддреИ рдмрд┐рд░реНрдХреЛ рдирд▓рдЧрд╛рдЙрдиреЗ ) рдЕрдирд┐ рд╕рд╛рдиреЛ рдЖрдЪреНрдорд╛ рдЫреЛрдкреЗрд░ рдкрдХрд╛рдЙрдиреЗ | рдЕрд▓рд┐рдХ рдкрд╛рдирд┐ рдЖрдКрдЫ, рдмреЗрд▓рд╛ рдмреЗрд▓рд╛рдорд╛ рдЪрд▓рд╛рдЙрдиреЗ , if it is dry too early you can add little bit water. | рддреЗрд▓рдорд╛ рдкреБрд░рд┐рдПрдХреЛ рдкрдХреНрдХреБ рдЦрд╛рдиреЗ рдЧрд░реЗрдХреЛ рднрдП рддреЗрд▓ рдЕрд▓рд┐рдХ рдзреЗрд░реИ рд╣рд╛рд▓реНрдиреЗ |
рдкрд╛рдХреЗ рдкрдЫреА рдорд╛рд╕реБрдХреЛ рдмрд╛рд╕рдирд╛ рдЖрдЙрди рдерд╛рд▓реНрдЫ , рдЪрд╛рдЦреЗрд░ рд╣реЗрд░реНрдиреЗ рдХрддрд┐ рдзреЗрд░реИ рдкрдХрд╛рдЙрди рдорди рд▓рд╛рдЧреНрдЫ ( рд╕рд╛рд░реИ рдирд░рдо рд╡рд╛ рдЪрдмрд╛рдЙрдиреБ рдкрд░реНрдиреЗ рдЧрд░рд┐ , рдЖрдлреНрдиреЛ рдЗрдЪреНрдЫрд╛ рдЕрдиреБрд╕рд╛рд░) ,
рдорд╛рд╕реБ рддреЗрд▓реАрдп рднрдПрд░ рдкрд╛рдХреНрдЫ , рддреЗрд▓ рд╕реБрджреНрдж рдЖрд░реНрдХреЛ рднрд╛рдбреЛрдорд╛ рдЦрдиреНрдпрд╛рдЙрдиреЗ , рддреБрд░реБрдиреНрдд рдирд╛рдЫреЛрдкрдиреЗ ( рдмрд╛рдл рдорд┐рд╕рд┐рдиреНрдЫ ) , рд╕реЗрд▓рд╛рдП рдкрдЫреА рд░реЗрдлреНрд░рд┐рдЬреЗрд░реЗрдЯрд░ рдорд╛ рд░рд╛рдЦреЗ рдкрдирд┐ рднрдпреЛ рдмрд╛рд╣рд┐рд░ рд░рд╛рдЦреЗ рдкрдирд┐ рднрдпреЛ |
рдпрд╕рд░реА рд░рд╛рдЦреЗрдХреЛ рдХрд╡рд╛рдл / рдкрдХреНрдХреБ рдЪрд▓рд╛рдЙрди ( start eating ) рдерд╛рд▓реЗ рдкрдЫрд┐ рднрдиреЗ рд░реЗрдлреНрд░рд┐рдЬреЗрд░реЗрддрд╛рд░рдорд╛ рд░рд╛рдЦреНрджрд╛ рдмреЗрд╕ рд╣реЛрд▓рд╛ |
рдпрджрд┐ рдкрд╣рд┐рд▓реЛ рдкрд▓реНрдЯ рдХреЛрд╕рд┐рд╕ рдЧрд░реНрджреИ рд╣реБрдиреБ рд╣реБрдиреНрдЫ рднрдиреЗ - рдПрдХ рдкрд▓реНрдЯ рдкреБрд░реНрдм рддрдпрд╛рд░рд┐ рдЕрдЧреА рдкрдХрд╛рдПрд░ рд╣реЗрд░реНрдиреБрд╕ рез-реи рдкрд╛рдКрдиреНрдб рдкрдХрд╛рдПрд░ рд╣реЗрд░реНрдиреБрд╕ рдХрд╕реНрддреЛ рдмрдирд╛рдЙрдиреБ рднрдпреЛ рдЕрдирд┐ рдХреЗ рдЧрд░реНрджрд╛ рдмреЗрд╕ рд╣реЛрд▓рд╛ рдЖрдлреИрд▓реЗ рдмрд┐рдЪрд╛рд░ рдЧрд░реНрдиреБрд╕ |
рдпреЛ рдкрдирд┐ рдкрд╣рд┐рд▓реЛ рдкрд▓реНрдЯ Programming рдЧрд░реНрди рдмрд╕реЗ рдЬрд╕реНрддреЛ рд╣реЛ |
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Posted on 10-19-12 1:52
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Magorkhe is right here....what I recall from my mom's recipe of pakku is she did not use water and onion or any orther ingredients that have water. She used to use red chilly powder and cumin+coriander powder and salt only. Yes, little excess of oil. The main purpose of pakku is preservation. In past when nepalese homes did not have fridge thye cooked meat this way to last longer without being fouled. So my mom's recipe
Heat excess of oil in a bhaddu (traditional nepalese bronze round pot)[you can use pressure cooker also but do not pressurize]
When hot, add meat and fry for 3-5 min
add turmeric and salt
Let stand in low heat for about 10-15 min
add red chilli powder, masala powder (roast cumin+coriander before grinding )
cook 10-20 minutes more
You have options of cooking it fully or partially. But normally, my mom used to cook it partially so she could cook afterward adding all the ingredients whenever she wanted.
Pakku ko swad nai beglai...la SIDSTER bro moj garau....I nearly salivated while writing this recipe...bachcha bela dekhi baseko taste bhulna kahan sakincha ra.
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Posted on 10-19-12 2:32
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I agree with Gorkhey and Nalapani.....i had heard mothers brag about not using Onion and Lasun to preserve it longer for some reason. The pakku only has dry masala..as far as i knew. Could be wrong there too.
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Posted on 10-21-12 8:17
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Thank you all for the suggestions. One of my guest knew how to make pakku and it was great. Basically he marinated the well and evenly cut meat with tumeric, salt, Oil, and dry ground cumin seed ( masala) and slow cooked it in a thinck bottom dish until it was ready.
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Posted on 10-23-12 10:37
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рдХрд╛рдо рднрдиреНрджрд╛ рдХреБрд░рд╛ рдЧрд░реНрди рд╕рдЬрд┐рд▓реЛ рднрдиреНрдереЗ - рд░реЗрд╕рд┐рдкреА рдд рджрд┐рдИрдпреЛ рддрд░ рдЖрдлреБ рднрдиреЗ рдЕрдЭреИ рд╕рд┐рдХрд╛рд░реБрдиреИ рд░рд╣реЗрдЫреБ |
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рдЧреЛрд░реНрдЦреЗ-рдмреНрд░реЛ рдореИрд▓реЗ рдЪреИ рддрдкрд╛рдЗрдХреЛ рдкреНрд░реЛрд╕реЗрд╕ рдлрд▓реЛ рдЧрд░реЗрдХреЛ рдШрдЪреНрдЪреА рдХреЛ рдмрдиреЗрдХреЛ рдЫ рдкрдХреНрдХреБ (рд╣рд╛рдореНрд░реЛ рдорд╛ рдХрдмрд╛рдм рднрдиреНрдЫрди) . рдЪрд╛рдЦреНрдиреЗ рднрдП рдЖрд╡реБрдиреБрд╕
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DC рдорд╛ рд╣реЛ рднрдиреЗ рдд рдЖрдИрди рдмреЗрд░ рд▓рдЧрд╛рдЗрджреИрдиреН рд╣реИ ?
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